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	<description>IT consultant, social democrat, ALP member and sometime writer. Australian Londoner.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by Guy</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-191412</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 12:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, anyone who has had the pleasure of wading through comment threads on Tim Blair&#039;s original blog (or ever attempted to challenge the prevailing winged monkey group brain) knows the true meaning of &quot;echo chamber&quot;. Massive contrast to LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, anyone who has had the pleasure of wading through comment threads on Tim Blair&#8217;s original blog (or ever attempted to challenge the prevailing winged monkey group brain) knows the true meaning of &#8220;echo chamber&#8221;. Massive contrast to LP.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by Helen</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-191222</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 00:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Long, often wide-ranging comment threads were peppered with interactions both fierce and friendly, and predictable skirmishes between right and left were – whilst not civil in the strict sense of the word – more civil than could be expected
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was always bemused by the one or two commenters who would always claim LP was a hivemind of homogenised leftists always on song. I&#039;d think, dude, have you actually &lt;em&gt;read&lt;/em&gt; this thing?</description>
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Long, often wide-ranging comment threads were peppered with interactions both fierce and friendly, and predictable skirmishes between right and left were – whilst not civil in the strict sense of the word – more civil than could be expected
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<p>I was always bemused by the one or two commenters who would always claim LP was a hivemind of homogenised leftists always on song. I&#8217;d think, dude, have you actually <em>read</em> this thing?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by Nick</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-184180</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a functional minimalist at heart, tigtog, I&#039;m in furious agreement re bling.

I&#039;m not particularly interested in jquery&#039;s plethora of animated components on offer.  

More the efficient transfer of information - markup and css sent once,  data to follow as plain xml,  stripped back as bare as is practical...that kind of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a functional minimalist at heart, tigtog, I&#8217;m in furious agreement re bling.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not particularly interested in jquery&#8217;s plethora of animated components on offer.  </p>
<p>More the efficient transfer of information &#8211; markup and css sent once,  data to follow as plain xml,  stripped back as bare as is practical&#8230;that kind of thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by tigtog</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-184124</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to have paged comments, 50 to a page, on LP at one time, but I didn&#039;t carry the argument.  That&#039;s still not ideal, but it&#039;s better than the single page for long discussions.

As for the jquery/ajax niftiness, I&#039;m a bit leery of too much bling there.  It&#039;s very easy to overdo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to have paged comments, 50 to a page, on LP at one time, but I didn&#8217;t carry the argument.  That&#8217;s still not ideal, but it&#8217;s better than the single page for long discussions.</p>
<p>As for the jquery/ajax niftiness, I&#8217;m a bit leery of too much bling there.  It&#8217;s very easy to overdo.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by Nick</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-184119</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall, I prefer single page unthreaded comments for LP type group discussion for the reasons tigtog outlined, but it does have a few issues:

1) the extra stress it puts on the browser&#039;s rendering engine - though this is perhaps largely a non-issue now.  I&#039;m still using the same laptop I was using in 2007...back then, long LP comments (300+) used to cause all sorts of locking up and strife, but pretty much all the major browsers appear to have improved their act in that regard...

2) your browser&#039;s default scrolling speed needs to be up to scratch to deal with long threads...my laptop is fine, new-gen Samsung phones and tablets are exceptionally good...iPhones were hopelessly slow last time I looked, can&#039;t speak for iPads...but definitely room for coding your own scrolling routines rather than relying on browser defaults (see facebook for examples).

3) load time.  This is the big one for me...especially if I&#039;m on a bus and my reception is a bit crappy, a 300+ comment thread can take a minute or more to load in full and before its ready events fire etc.  Lots of room here for coding more efficient data buffering back to the user. Again, facebook does this pretty well...scroll down further to load older posts etc.  Problem with LP is that comments are always oldest to newest (preferred, better for discussion), so it can&#039;t quite work the same way.  Nevertheless, it could still be improved a lot through more nifty jquery/ajax.  It’s bad practice to combine such heavy data loading (eg: last LP thread is 1.5MB so far) into the initial document load-display cycle.

Generally, I think Guy’s right...and as the tablet browsers begin to dominate in the next year or two, group blog useability really is going to have to keep up with major news companies who’ve already heavily invested in being ready for this, and group blogs will risk looking more and more clumsy and outdated if they don’t.  Not so important on a personal blog of course, but very much so on an LP, imo.  Look and feel isn’t everything by a long shot...but I’d still prefer blogs be seen on the innovative leader side of the fence, instead of the lagging follower...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, I prefer single page unthreaded comments for LP type group discussion for the reasons tigtog outlined, but it does have a few issues:</p>
<p>1) the extra stress it puts on the browser&#8217;s rendering engine &#8211; though this is perhaps largely a non-issue now.  I&#8217;m still using the same laptop I was using in 2007&#8230;back then, long LP comments (300+) used to cause all sorts of locking up and strife, but pretty much all the major browsers appear to have improved their act in that regard&#8230;</p>
<p>2) your browser&#8217;s default scrolling speed needs to be up to scratch to deal with long threads&#8230;my laptop is fine, new-gen Samsung phones and tablets are exceptionally good&#8230;iPhones were hopelessly slow last time I looked, can&#8217;t speak for iPads&#8230;but definitely room for coding your own scrolling routines rather than relying on browser defaults (see facebook for examples).</p>
<p>3) load time.  This is the big one for me&#8230;especially if I&#8217;m on a bus and my reception is a bit crappy, a 300+ comment thread can take a minute or more to load in full and before its ready events fire etc.  Lots of room here for coding more efficient data buffering back to the user. Again, facebook does this pretty well&#8230;scroll down further to load older posts etc.  Problem with LP is that comments are always oldest to newest (preferred, better for discussion), so it can&#8217;t quite work the same way.  Nevertheless, it could still be improved a lot through more nifty jquery/ajax.  It’s bad practice to combine such heavy data loading (eg: last LP thread is 1.5MB so far) into the initial document load-display cycle.</p>
<p>Generally, I think Guy’s right&#8230;and as the tablet browsers begin to dominate in the next year or two, group blog useability really is going to have to keep up with major news companies who’ve already heavily invested in being ready for this, and group blogs will risk looking more and more clumsy and outdated if they don’t.  Not so important on a personal blog of course, but very much so on an LP, imo.  Look and feel isn’t everything by a long shot&#8230;but I’d still prefer blogs be seen on the innovative leader side of the fence, instead of the lagging follower&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by Guy</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-183936</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the ideal would be to allow users to individually choose how comments were presented - although of course this would not be something that came &quot;out of the box&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the ideal would be to allow users to individually choose how comments were presented &#8211; although of course this would not be something that came &#8220;out of the box&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by tigtog</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-183785</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Su, threaded comments are technically easy, and LP could have had those at any time, but we decided at one point a while ago that most of us actually preferred linear comments, because seeing the whole discussion was for most of us a feature rather than a bug.

It&#039;s one of those strong preference things where you&#039;re never going to find a solution that satisfies everybody, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Su, threaded comments are technically easy, and LP could have had those at any time, but we decided at one point a while ago that most of us actually preferred linear comments, because seeing the whole discussion was for most of us a feature rather than a bug.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of those strong preference things where you&#8217;re never going to find a solution that satisfies everybody, methinks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by Guy</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-183581</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suz yep, that looks reasonably neat, although I think after a few replies it can lead to indent madness. It also somewhat meddles with the flow of the thread. I am not sure precisely how it can be improved, but there must be a more effective way to present it. Perhaps a way that is rather unbloglike? Collapsible conversations may also help.

It would be good to allow commenters to jump easily between their various conversations - though this would imply commenter registration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suz yep, that looks reasonably neat, although I think after a few replies it can lead to indent madness. It also somewhat meddles with the flow of the thread. I am not sure precisely how it can be improved, but there must be a more effective way to present it. Perhaps a way that is rather unbloglike? Collapsible conversations may also help.</p>
<p>It would be good to allow commenters to jump easily between their various conversations &#8211; though this would imply commenter registration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Larvatus Prodeo and the state of the blogosphere by Suz</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/04/17/larvatus-prodeo-and-the-state-of-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-183427</link>
		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very popular Mamamia site appears to use a blogging platform (and I&#039;ve seen it elsewhere) which allows commenters to comment on other comments, creating mini-threads within a long series of comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very popular Mamamia site appears to use a blogging platform (and I&#8217;ve seen it elsewhere) which allows commenters to comment on other comments, creating mini-threads within a long series of comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are you experienced? Working for free in an economic apocalypse by Matthew Gee Kwun Chan</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2012/02/21/are-you-experienced-working-for-free-in-an-economic-apocalypse/comment-page-1/#comment-165920</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Gee Kwun Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South Pacific first, Middle East and horn of Africa second, then Europe</description>
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