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	<title>Comments on: On killing the killers</title>
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	<description>On Sunday ring road supermarket. No killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants.</description>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/11/09/on-killing-the-killers/comment-page-1/#comment-3737</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess when you start making capital punishment optional for prisoners serving life sentences, you essentially convert the capital punishment debate into a euthanasia debate. In Australia at least, it would seem that we have done the hard yards on capital punishment and abolished it, but not yet enough hard yards on euthanasia. 

I still don&#039;t see why it is okay for someone who wants to kill themselves to ram their car into a wall or load up on a cocktail of dangerous drugs, but not okay for the government to facilitate a controlled, regulated and ultimately safe suicide if that is what the person involved really wants.  

Columns like &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/paul-sheehan/aussies-need-to-be-open-to-death-penalty-debate/2008/11/09/1226165380043.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/A&gt; from Paul Sheehan don&#039;t really assist very much. Sheehan seems to be confusing the capital punishment debate with the war on terror and describes Australia&#039;s views on capital punishment as a form of &quot;missionary condescension&quot;. Actually its arguably a matter of basic human rights (e.g. Articles 3 and 5 of the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Universal Declaration of Human Rights&lt;/A&gt;). I don&#039;t see a problem with Australia occasionally lecturing other countries if they are lecturing in support of a position that the majority of the world&#039;s civilised countries support, quite frankly. In part this is how that little thing called progress can be slowly made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess when you start making capital punishment optional for prisoners serving life sentences, you essentially convert the capital punishment debate into a euthanasia debate. In Australia at least, it would seem that we have done the hard yards on capital punishment and abolished it, but not yet enough hard yards on euthanasia. </p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t see why it is okay for someone who wants to kill themselves to ram their car into a wall or load up on a cocktail of dangerous drugs, but not okay for the government to facilitate a controlled, regulated and ultimately safe suicide if that is what the person involved really wants.  </p>
<p>Columns like <a HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/paul-sheehan/aussies-need-to-be-open-to-death-penalty-debate/2008/11/09/1226165380043.html" rel="nofollow">this one</a> from Paul Sheehan don&#8217;t really assist very much. Sheehan seems to be confusing the capital punishment debate with the war on terror and describes Australia&#8217;s views on capital punishment as a form of &#8220;missionary condescension&#8221;. Actually its arguably a matter of basic human rights (e.g. Articles 3 and 5 of the <a HREF="http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html" rel="nofollow">Universal Declaration of Human Rights</a>). I don&#8217;t see a problem with Australia occasionally lecturing other countries if they are lecturing in support of a position that the majority of the world&#8217;s civilised countries support, quite frankly. In part this is how that little thing called progress can be slowly made.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bath</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/11/09/on-killing-the-killers/comment-page-1/#comment-3732</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to get an idea of the percentage of innocent people executed within a jurisdiction some years ago before DNA analysis became so powerful if there is DNA evidence still held.  For the US, and particularly for blacks, there is a worryingly high percentage of people &quot;cleared&quot; by DNA evidence long after they were executed.

I&#039;m all for jailing them, making them look at photos of victims and grieving families, and giving the criminal the OPTION of being killed by any means that takes their fancy when either the guilt sinks in, or the long time in prison gets too much.

China&#039;s use of executions is particularly worrying: but at least corrupt officials white collar criminals are just as likely to get the ultimate sanction as petty criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to get an idea of the percentage of innocent people executed within a jurisdiction some years ago before DNA analysis became so powerful if there is DNA evidence still held.  For the US, and particularly for blacks, there is a worryingly high percentage of people &#8220;cleared&#8221; by DNA evidence long after they were executed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for jailing them, making them look at photos of victims and grieving families, and giving the criminal the OPTION of being killed by any means that takes their fancy when either the guilt sinks in, or the long time in prison gets too much.</p>
<p>China&#8217;s use of executions is particularly worrying: but at least corrupt officials white collar criminals are just as likely to get the ultimate sanction as petty criminals.</p>
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