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	<title>Comments on: By-elections in Mayo and Henley</title>
	<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/</link>
	<description>Reflections on social democracy, economics, the media, and spin in an age of incorrigible cynicism.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1485</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1485</guid>
		<description>I also agree wholeheartedly Guy.  Interesting to read on &lt;a href="http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2008/06/should-labor-pa.html#more" rel="nofollow"&gt;Anthony Green's blog&lt;/a&gt; that the Howard government avoided contesting a by-election in a seat that was not safe for the Liberal Party like the plague.

&lt;i&gt;On a hiding to nothing, it would therefore be no surprise if Labor chose to opt out of contesting Mayo. It was the usual approach taken by the Liberal Party during the 11 years of the Howard government. Of the nine by-elections between 1996 and 2007, the Liberal Party only contested the three seats it held, Lindsay (1996), Ryan (2001) and Aston (2001). The Liberal Party did not nominate candidates for Blaxland (1996), Fraser (1997), Holt (1999), Isaacs (200), Cunningham (2002) or Werriwa (2005). The Liberal Party also opted out of the Newcastle supplementary election 1998.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree wholeheartedly Guy.  Interesting to read on <a href="http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2008/06/should-labor-pa.html#more" rel="nofollow">Anthony Green&#8217;s blog</a> that the Howard government avoided contesting a by-election in a seat that was not safe for the Liberal Party like the plague.</p>
<p><i>On a hiding to nothing, it would therefore be no surprise if Labor chose to opt out of contesting Mayo. It was the usual approach taken by the Liberal Party during the 11 years of the Howard government. Of the nine by-elections between 1996 and 2007, the Liberal Party only contested the three seats it held, Lindsay (1996), Ryan (2001) and Aston (2001). The Liberal Party did not nominate candidates for Blaxland (1996), Fraser (1997), Holt (1999), Isaacs (200), Cunningham (2002) or Werriwa (2005). The Liberal Party also opted out of the Newcastle supplementary election 1998.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1469</guid>
		<description>Agree completely with respect to the ETS. And in the absence of a strong ALP candidate, t would be a good thing if a strong independent candidate ran in Mayo and gave the Libs a run for their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree completely with respect to the ETS. And in the absence of a strong ALP candidate, t would be a good thing if a strong independent candidate ran in Mayo and gave the Libs a run for their money.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hill</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1454</guid>
		<description>Maybe there is an outlier of a chance, but I think it similar to the Libs not running a candidate when Latham retired his seat of Werriwa. Although according to ABC

"Held by Alexander Downer since its creation in 1984, he came under serious challenge in 1998, as the Democrat's John Schumann came close to winning on Labor and One Nation preferences. The seat covers a part of South Australia where the Australian Democrats used to poll strongly."

I don't think there is any chance of Labor winning, but a wily Independent might be able to do it, and would probably cost the leadership or seriously undermine Nelson.

But what mitigates against this is, if there is a swing to the Libs it could give more oxygen to the tales of ute-men and how the working-class people are opposed to the ETS. I think framing a carbon emissions trading system focusing on the long-term environmental outcomes rather than allowing the self-perpetualising of the opposition's scare-mongering means that it is more important for complexity to win through at the expense of Labor trying to win a seat it has Buckley's chance of picking up.

Hey wasn't Peter Hatcher's article on Downer spot-on. And I lost even more respect for Downer when his daughter was awarded an international post-graduate scholarship for a third-class honours, while in my department the scholarship cut-off is a high first-class honours (high high-distinction GPA), it was the worst kind of nepotism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe there is an outlier of a chance, but I think it similar to the Libs not running a candidate when Latham retired his seat of Werriwa. Although according to ABC</p>
<p>&#8220;Held by Alexander Downer since its creation in 1984, he came under serious challenge in 1998, as the Democrat&#8217;s John Schumann came close to winning on Labor and One Nation preferences. The seat covers a part of South Australia where the Australian Democrats used to poll strongly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any chance of Labor winning, but a wily Independent might be able to do it, and would probably cost the leadership or seriously undermine Nelson.</p>
<p>But what mitigates against this is, if there is a swing to the Libs it could give more oxygen to the tales of ute-men and how the working-class people are opposed to the ETS. I think framing a carbon emissions trading system focusing on the long-term environmental outcomes rather than allowing the self-perpetualising of the opposition&#8217;s scare-mongering means that it is more important for complexity to win through at the expense of Labor trying to win a seat it has Buckley&#8217;s chance of picking up.</p>
<p>Hey wasn&#8217;t Peter Hatcher&#8217;s article on Downer spot-on. And I lost even more respect for Downer when his daughter was awarded an international post-graduate scholarship for a third-class honours, while in my department the scholarship cut-off is a high first-class honours (high high-distinction GPA), it was the worst kind of nepotism.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1442</guid>
		<description>That may well be the case Stephen. From a ruthless party-political point of view, I think there probably is a case for not really putting much effort in. On the other hand, I think the government needs to try and maintain a balance between playing fair and playing ruthless; the previous government got a bit too ruthless with the unions in its last term and we all know what happened there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may well be the case Stephen. From a ruthless party-political point of view, I think there probably is a case for not really putting much effort in. On the other hand, I think the government needs to try and maintain a balance between playing fair and playing ruthless; the previous government got a bit too ruthless with the unions in its last term and we all know what happened there.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hill</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1437</guid>
		<description>That should be 

"extend the tenure of the fumbling former education minister"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be </p>
<p>&#8220;extend the tenure of the fumbling former education minister&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hill</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1436</guid>
		<description>Also with Brendan Nelson's performance so far, wouldn't it actually suit Labor to extend his tenure on the fumbling former education minister as long as possible, as a result giving Turnbull little time to introduce himself to the public. I'm sort of guessing Labor half ran dead in Gippsland for the same reason,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also with Brendan Nelson&#8217;s performance so far, wouldn&#8217;t it actually suit Labor to extend his tenure on the fumbling former education minister as long as possible, as a result giving Turnbull little time to introduce himself to the public. I&#8217;m sort of guessing Labor half ran dead in Gippsland for the same reason,</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1432</guid>
		<description>That's a fair point, but governments and oppositions should always be preoccupied with policy-making in any case. That doesn't mean they should neglect to contest elections and deny people a say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fair point, but governments and oppositions should always be preoccupied with policy-making in any case. That doesn&#8217;t mean they should neglect to contest elections and deny people a say.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gee Kwun Chan</title>
		<link>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Gee Kwun Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://guyberes.com/2008/07/01/by-elections-in-mayo-and-henley/#comment-1427</guid>
		<description>Doesn't the government have a large policy workload without thinking of contesting bi-elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the government have a large policy workload without thinking of contesting bi-elections?</p>
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